Comments on: CGZ to Meet Marfork Coal Co. in Federal Court http://climategroundzero.net/2010/02/cgz-to-meet-marfork-coal-co-in-federal-court/ Mon, 14 May 2012 19:54:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Daniel http://climategroundzero.net/2010/02/cgz-to-meet-marfork-coal-co-in-federal-court/#comment-4011 Daniel Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:00:40 +0000 http://climategroundzero.net/?p=3332#comment-4011 Plus, the new work shoes I ordered came yedtersay arrived so I wore them today. They're much more supportive than the old ones, but they hit my foot in different places, so now I have a large, swollen area on each foot above and to the inside of where the laces are. OWW!!! The worst part is I have to put them back on in the morning to go to work. By Monday I'll be fine, but tomorrow is gonna be a bitch! Plus, the new work shoes I ordered came yedtersay arrived so I wore them today. They’re much more supportive than the old ones, but they hit my foot in different places, so now I have a large, swollen area on each foot above and to the inside of where the laces are. OWW!!! The worst part is I have to put them back on in the morning to go to work. By Monday I’ll be fine, but tomorrow is gonna be a bitch!

]]> By: Progress Miner http://climategroundzero.net/2010/02/cgz-to-meet-marfork-coal-co-in-federal-court/#comment-2168 Progress Miner Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:36:46 +0000 http://climategroundzero.net/?p=3332#comment-2168 Mat, there it is. Ouch! Mat, there it is. Ouch!

]]> By: Watcher http://climategroundzero.net/2010/02/cgz-to-meet-marfork-coal-co-in-federal-court/#comment-2167 Watcher Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:07:05 +0000 http://climategroundzero.net/?p=3332#comment-2167 Mat, you call this being open and honest : Keep your car as unmarked as possible. No protest bumper stickers. Blend your appearance in with the community. Baseball caps, plaid shirts, camo. Etc. If possible, carry a video camera with you. It also goes on to say don't give your real name if caught on private property. This was found on Mountain Justics Summer's web site under " fliers , tools and handouts ". It also sounds condescending like your encouraging a dumbing down if you will of prospective activists to fit in . Mat, you call this being open and honest : Keep your car as unmarked as possible. No protest bumper stickers. Blend your appearance in with the community. Baseball caps, plaid shirts, camo. Etc. If possible, carry a video camera with you.
It also goes on to say don’t give your real name if caught on private property. This was found on Mountain Justics Summer’s web site under ” fliers , tools and handouts “. It also sounds condescending like your encouraging a dumbing down if you will of prospective activists to fit in .

]]> By: Progress Miner http://climategroundzero.net/2010/02/cgz-to-meet-marfork-coal-co-in-federal-court/#comment-2166 Progress Miner Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:33:02 +0000 http://climategroundzero.net/?p=3332#comment-2166 Not to attack, but to mention, Massey does tremendous work in our communities. Not to attack, but to mention, Massey does tremendous work in our communities.

]]> By: mat http://climategroundzero.net/2010/02/cgz-to-meet-marfork-coal-co-in-federal-court/#comment-2165 mat Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:51:43 +0000 http://climategroundzero.net/?p=3332#comment-2165 Edward, People affiliated with Climate Ground Zero have never committed an act of sabotage or "monkeywrenching" against a coal company. We are strictly nonviolent, and no one in this campaign has been charged or even accused of sabotage. I don't know where you are getting your information, but we try to be open, honest, and friendly with everyone we encounter. It's part of the nonviolence trainings that we give here. We have never trashed a truck. Can you point to a concrete example of some action we took that you feel was "over-the-top"? Edward,

People affiliated with Climate Ground Zero have never committed an act of sabotage or “monkeywrenching” against a coal company. We are strictly nonviolent, and no one in this campaign has been charged or even accused of sabotage. I don’t know where you are getting your information, but we try to be open, honest, and friendly with everyone we encounter. It’s part of the nonviolence trainings that we give here. We have never trashed a truck. Can you point to a concrete example of some action we took that you feel was “over-the-top”?

]]> By: Edward http://climategroundzero.net/2010/02/cgz-to-meet-marfork-coal-co-in-federal-court/#comment-2164 Edward Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:01:13 +0000 http://climategroundzero.net/?p=3332#comment-2164 I feel like Mark is right about a lot of things here. While protesters have the right idea, (Treesits, civil disobedience, ect.) Some of the methods only encourage people to dismiss groups like CGZ as "Pot smoking hippies looking to unleash anarchy on the world" or worse, label the protesters as terrorists. I believe the monkeywrenching needs to stop. Some of the methods used to protest are over the top, and so the punishment is over the top. If we exibit civil disobedience without damaging equipment, and the over the top punishments continue, we are more likely to get media sympathy. If we destroy equipment, act rude or vulgar, or hurt people, even if it is by accident, we will be made into the enemy. I feel like we should continue treesits, sitting in front of trucks, and organized peaceful protests to accomplish our goals. I know it will work, mainly because, well, MLK, Ghandi, women trying to vote, I don't remember any of them wreckng trucks, and they have acheived so much! Maybe I'm just naive, but it seems like our tactics now aren't working as well as they could. Maybe it's time for us to change them. I feel like Mark is right about a lot of things here. While protesters have the right idea, (Treesits, civil disobedience, ect.) Some of the methods only encourage people to dismiss groups like CGZ as “Pot smoking hippies looking to unleash anarchy on the world” or worse, label the protesters as terrorists. I believe the monkeywrenching needs to stop. Some of the methods used to protest are over the top, and so the punishment is over the top. If we exibit civil disobedience without damaging equipment, and the over the top punishments continue, we are more likely to get media sympathy. If we destroy equipment, act rude or vulgar, or hurt people, even if it is by accident, we will be made into the enemy.
I feel like we should continue treesits, sitting in front of trucks, and organized peaceful protests to accomplish our goals. I know it will work, mainly because, well, MLK, Ghandi, women trying to vote, I don’t remember any of them wreckng trucks, and they have acheived so much!
Maybe I’m just naive, but it seems like our tactics now aren’t working as well as they could. Maybe it’s time for us to change them.

]]> By: David German http://climategroundzero.net/2010/02/cgz-to-meet-marfork-coal-co-in-federal-court/#comment-2163 David German Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:14:09 +0000 http://climategroundzero.net/?p=3332#comment-2163 @mark I think that you're right on a lot of things here. I know my face does get kind of scruffy sometimes and I think it's really too bad that we come off in such a negative way. I do hope that maybe taking your advice and going to church more often will help. I do try to help out my neighbors when i can, but i wholeheartedly agree that the more often my friends and I could get out into the communities and help people, be it (re)build a house, clean one up, or just cook a big community meal the better. Also I am really interested in trying to get some sort of free medical training going. I know that I have some contacts with medical experience who potentially could commit some time to coming out and training people in good self/other care tips and/or some other sort of medical training. Either way i think this would be something that would be really amazing to have happen, and if you have any ideas on how to make that a reality, or other ideas/things that you think would be useful for us to do I would really love it if you could send me and email at david.r.german@gmail.com or mail me a letter [David German P.O. Box 62 Rock Creek, WV 25174] I really appreciate your criticism, I feel like it's constructive, and I would love to talk to you in detail about how to make some of the ideas you mentioned realities. @mark
I think that you’re right on a lot of things here. I know my face does get kind of scruffy sometimes and I think it’s really too bad that we come off in such a negative way. I do hope that maybe taking your advice and going to church more often will help. I do try to help out my neighbors when i can, but i wholeheartedly agree that the more often my friends and I could get out into the communities and help people, be it (re)build a house, clean one up, or just cook a big community meal the better.
Also I am really interested in trying to get some sort of free medical training going. I know that I have some contacts with medical experience who potentially could commit some time to coming out and training people in good self/other care tips and/or some other sort of medical training.

Either way i think this would be something that would be really amazing to have happen, and if you have any ideas on how to make that a reality, or other ideas/things that you think would be useful for us to do I would really love it if you could send me and email at david.r.german@gmail.com or mail me a letter [David German P.O. Box 62 Rock Creek, WV 25174] I really appreciate your criticism, I feel like it’s constructive, and I would love to talk to you in detail about how to make some of the ideas you mentioned realities.

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